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Sunday, November 02, 2008
Blu-Ray At ZDNet, Robin Harris makes a mildly persuasive argument that Blu-Ray is dying and will end up becoming a videophile niche format like laserdisc. When Toshiba threw in the towel and gave up on HD-DVD about 8 months ago, it looked like a major victory for Sony on multiple fronts. First, they were the uncontested heir to the HD movie market and second, fence sitters in the next-gen gaming console market had a reason to plunk down a little extra for a PS3. But 8 months later, things haven't changed a whole lot. Standalone BR players have come down in price and will be reaching affordable levels shortly. PS3 sales received a bump, overtaking the XBox sporadically during this year, but it looks like Microsoft's price cut has reestablished PS3 as the loser of the next-gen gaming market (of course, both are being clobbered by Nintendo). Sony is betting on the release of several highly anticipated games for the PS3 this holiday season, which should sell consoles and thus increase BR market penetration. There are lots of things to consider here:
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Blu-ray is great. As soon as the format war ended, I jumped on board and bought a PS3. As a movie nerd with an HDTV, I don't see how I wouldn't have. I've got an Oppo 981, but BD beats the hell out of upconverted DVD. The lack of visible compression artifacts is nice, too (my HDTV seems to magnify those things on DVDs). What I really don't understand are the people cheering for downloads to supplant physical media. Holy DRM hell, Batman. Not to mention harddrive crashes, slow downloads, inability to grab a stack of discs to bring to a friend's house... blah. Downloads are great as a replacement for renting, but I've gotta have something to hold in my hand (and sell on eBay if it sucks). Digital Bits had a response to the Harris article which is worth a glance. Note, also that Blu-ray != Sony. The BDA is made up of a bunch of companies in addition to Sony. Yeah, I hate Sony too, but all big media companies are pretty much evil no matter how they want to deliver HD content to you. Posted by: kernunrex on November 2, 2008 5:40 PM
I know that I am not at all happy at the prospect of having to buy another type of disc player. We still have a VCR as well as our DVD player. And I'm sure as heck not gonna buy all the titles I own on a new format. It made sense to buy the Monty Python movies on DVD instead of watching our VHS tapes over and over because as you mentioned, VHS loses quality over time. But why go for Blu-Ray or HD? I see the average consumer as not giving much thought to what's beyond regular DVD. Posted by: Spencer on November 4, 2008 1:31 AM
Exactly. Of course, the Blu-Ray player will upconvert DVDs as well, so you can still upgrade to Blu-Ray without having to repurchase your entire library... but that still prevents a lot of back-catalog movies/series from being released on BR... Posted by: Mark on November 4, 2008 7:43 PM
Am I the only person that thought of "Battle-Rifle" every time I read "BR"? Posted by: dNewb on November 12, 2008 8:41 AM
your forgot to point out that most big budget games coming out this xmas will ALSO come out for xbox360 and in some cases also for pc, wii and even ps2 (ps2 sales beat ps3 sales the first year btw) they dont even have exclusivity for final fantasy anymore, i doubt games will be a big sale point for the ps3 Posted by: JKjoker on November 12, 2008 11:44 AM
Good article on BR. I have this itching feeling that DRM is what is driving the HDTV and next-gen disks (and I include the government-mandated SD shut-off in this). Customer demand should drive a market, not some top-down security feature; the market recognizes this, and is responding by saying, "Meh." Where BR and true HD will shine is when movies start being filmed specifically in HD formats. Movies that are converted from film to an HD format really don't shine (see the HD-DVD version of 300 for a really bad conversion). Go watch the Planet Earth series on HD-DVD for a hint of what's to come. Whether or not this will make a difference, or if it's 'too little, too late', I won't hazard a guess. But if folks are willing to watch movies on an iPod, I'm guessing they're fine with upconverted 480p signals. Posted by: Telas on November 12, 2008 11:54 AM
Hate to say this, but DVDs aren't eternal either. Though they have a much longer shelf life than VHS, DVDs will eventually degrade and will have to be replaced. The advantage of DVDs is that the rate of degradation is much slower. But don't consider your DVD library an eternal storehouse for your movies. Unfortunately for Blu-Ray, the time when people need to replace their DVDs is not now. Posted by: Kizer on November 12, 2008 12:59 PM
JKjoker, There are definitely some exclusive games coming (Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet), but I agree that games probably won't drive a lot of sales. Apparently Sony thinks we're wrong though:p Telas, DRM is definitely part of it. Not sure how much though, since DRM is inherently stupid:p There's also the always desirable "getting people to buy the same thing twice" aspect that big companies seem to love. Kizer, Heh, we don't need something eternal, just something that can last a couple decades:p Posted by: Mark on November 12, 2008 7:28 PM
Well, there might be exclusive games (that i could count with one hand) but that means that whoever buys ps3 FOR the games is willing to pay SEVERAL EXTRA HUNDRED BUCKS just for 1 or maybe 2 games, i dunno about you but i find it really hard to justify the already high prices of new games lately when they barely last half a weekend and have 0 replay value (and dont mention multiplay, i hate multiplay), i fact, i dont think the bargain bin prices are low enough to pick up some of the new games. Posted by: JKjoker on November 13, 2008 12:38 PM
Preaching to the choir man. Perhaps it's just Sony's spin machine, but they aren't lowering their prices, so either they're drinking their own kool aid or they simply can't afford to sell it cheaper. They do seem to have the most technologically advanced of this generations consoles, but perhaps they were a little too ambitious... Posted by: Mark on November 13, 2008 5:52 PM
Good article. You echo a lot of the thoughts I've had since the format wars started. I work in the Electronics department at Walmart, and while our Blu-Ray section has gotten bigger recently, it's still only 12 feet of movies, compared to the 200 feet or so devoted to DVDs. I've long felt that BR is the new laser disc. It's simply too little, too soon, for too much. I've also long thought that the real next format to take off would be in the form of solid state memory. I don't know about the long-term durability of the format, but it seems to hold a lot more promise than just another disc. A jump drive with a high def version of the movie and enough space to allow you to download new special features rather than buying yet another copy of The Lord of the Rings seems like something that could get people's attention. The players would be smaller, the media would be different, options would be available. I just think it's a matter of getting the production costs down, but with 4Gb drives running less than $20, (we're even getting some soon on sale for $9!), I don't think space vs cost will be an issue much longer. Posted by: StingRay on November 14, 2008 5:50 PM
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