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    • CommentAuthorSamael
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2006
     
    This map exposes the lie of lies: that "pop" is a Michigan thing. Take that!

    Personally, I don't call it "pop." I think "pop" sounds stupid. Then again, my own naming convention is somewhat arbitrary, and overly complicated.

    I divide it all up. If the softdrink in question is a non-carbonated drink, I call it whatever general drink it is (e.g. Coffee drinks are coffee, tea drinks are tea, juice drinks are juice).
    If the softdrink in question is carbonated and:
    -dark colored and/or primarily cola flavored, I call it a cola (e.g. Dr Pepper, Cherry Coke, Pepsi, and RC Cola are all "cola" to me).
    -clear or light colored and/or primarily fruit/citrus flavored, I call it a soda (e.g. Sprite, Mountain Dew, Squirt are all "soda" to me).

    I call Faygo brand products "pop" because that's what the bottle calls them (They have one drink that is called, in fact, "Red Pop").

    Cherry Coke, while having some fruit flavor, is clearly mostly cola flavored. It's a cola drink with some fruit flavor added. Thus, it's still a cola drink.

    That's my silly, and arbitrary naming convention.
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      CommentAuthorDyre
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2006
     
    Alaska is quite divided on what it calls soda, apparently. I wonder how that came about.

    I call all carbonated soft drinks soda. Pepsi, Sprite, Dr Pepper, Caffeine Free Diet Cherry Poo with Lime, etc. I do this because I live in the yellow area on the map. Yellow like pee, my friend, which I do not call soda.

    Calling it "pop" sounds old fashioned to me. I'm from the future and we don't call it pop.
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      CommentAuthorfoucault
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2006
     
    I live smack in the middle of the ugly brownish yellow color, denoting that we in fact refer to all carbonated drinks as soda, which is correct. Over here, cola is a type of soda, but it's all soda. Well, except as DyRE noted, pee is in fact not usually called soda. Maybe that's a regional thing too..?
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      CommentAuthortallman
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2006
     
    Definitely soda here (ugly brownish area), though I have an affinity for calling it coke, just because that's my favorite and it pisses off Pepsi fans (and I hate Pepsi):P
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      CommentAuthorSpencer
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2006
     
    I grew up calling all sodas "coke." But after I started working at McDonald's, I learned to call them sodas. Most of our customers were from Texas or the south in general, and they usually would say something like, "And I want a coke with that." To which I would have to ask, "A Coca-Cola or other soda?" 50% of the time, the customer would clarify with a soda that wasn't Coke.

    However, if I'm in the company of a bunch of born-n-bred Texans (who are proud of it), I think I use the word coke. When in Rome, do as the Romans, right?


    I don't know why, but "pop" sounds extremely stupid to me and probably 99% of the rest of us Southerners. It takes us 5 whole seconds to process the sentence, "I'd really like to have a pop right now." It sounds like alien language.

    The other day, a lady referred to my purse as a "pocketbook." I felt transported to a whole other part of the country and era in time.


    And while we're on the subject of regionalism, why do many people from the south (east of Texas) put the word Miss/Ms or Mister in front of a person's first name? I hate it when people call me "Miss Crystal." And of course they say it with a little bit of a deep south accent -- an accent I absolutely hate.
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    what about the whole sub, grinder, sandwich etc. thing.

    Or elastic, rubberband, hair band thing.

    Or the whole telling time thing. Quarter past, 15 past , quarter of, fifteen to thing.

    How about dinner lunch super and which belongs where in the time span of a day.

    Barbeque ...what is your definition. East coast south(no katchup....to the point where its a major sin if you even put it in the same sentence as bbq) Western south (katchup based) Northern (nothing like southern).

    Do you you guys, I mean ya'all, I mean yoos guys know what I am talking about .......as I sit here and eat by boiled peanuts..... with rocky mountain oysters,.....with New england Clam chowder and maybe lots or some alcohol
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      CommentAuthorSpencer
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2006
     
    A sub sandwich is a sub sandwich, eg Subway.

    Some people around here (I live in Austin, Texas) call it a poor boy (aka po'boy or just poboy). That's mostly a Louisiana/gulf coast term that people from those areas have brought into some areas of Texas. Here in Austin, there are many regional/ethnic restaurants, so at least one New York-styled restaurant calls them hoagies.

    If we're talking about an elastic thing that holds hair (like a ponytail) in place, then we call it a rubber/elastic hair band or just hair band. But the words "hair" and "band" are definitely used.
    If we're talking about a general use elastic thing to hold, say, a bundle of pencils together, then it's a rubberband.

    Time. Hmmm. I didn't realize that was at all regional. We say pretty much everything around here. 8:45. Quarter 'til 9. Whatever. The only person I look at funny when they give me the time is my husband because he insists on giving me the exact time (ie, 6:53 instead of saying "It's almost 7.") to the point of waiting a few seconds until his digital watch tells him that it is now 6:53:00 whereas before it was 6:52:57.

    Yes, it is a sin to put the word ketchup (or whatever spelling you want) in the same sentence as. BBQ. See, I had to separate them with periods. My god, how can anyone think that BBQ has any relation to. ketchup? That's wrong.
    I'm not one to go around moralizing, but BBQ and. ketchup -- that is immoral.

    Yuck yuck yuck and quadruple yuckity-yuck-yuck. *PUKE*

    And I would further argue that there is no such thing as BBQ in the north, but I can't be certain, obviously.


    I tend to say "you all." Or just "you." If I'm in the presence of my mother, then I say "y'all" or she may give me some crap about being too high-and-mighty to speak like a "country bumpkin," as she would say. I don't like the sound of "y'all" because it treds too much into that deep-South accent that I hate.


    Why would you boil peanuts? Sounds like you would just have one really hot peanut. How does one even think to boil a peanut? Man, that's crazy.
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      CommentAuthortallman
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2006
     
    Silly people, a sub sandwich is a hoagie. A grinder is a hoagie that has extra cheese placed on top, and is then toasted.

    I'm guessing just hairband works.

    Quarter after, quarter of, though it's not a strong preference.

    I think Barbeque here has ketchup in it, and I don't especially love it. I'm not an expert on this sort of thing though...

    How about Philly Cheesesteaks? Everywhere I go, they seem to get this completely wrong. Some places use roast beef, but most places seem to use actual slices of steak. Both are dead wrong though.
    • CommentAuthorSamael
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2006
     
    Let's see, in Michigan (to the best of my knowledge based on some 27 years here):

    Softdrinks are "pop."
    Asking for "coke" would get you one of two things: a Coke (tm) or the response "Is Pepsi okay?"

    A "pocketbook" is not a purse. A pocketbook is basically a large wallet usually carried by women and often carried inside of a purse. A pcoketbook does not have handles or a strap. Older people sometimes call wallets "billfolds."

    The thing that you make a pony-tail with is either a "hair-band" or a "rubber-band."

    A "sub" is a large sandwhich usually made with deli meats and cheeses, and served on a long bun called, aptly enough, a "sub bun." It's sort of a like baguette, but not hard.
    A grinder is basically a toasted sub, but the only place you're likely to find them in Michigan is at a pizza place. They're usually made with bread made from pizza dough.
    I've heard of a poorboy, but you won't see them on many menus up here. I think those are mostly a southern thing, aren't they?

    There's very little, if any, distinction between "supper" and "dinner" up here, anymore. Supper and dinner are words for the evening meal. Most people seem to eat dinner sometime between 5 and 7.

    I'm not clear on what you guys are talking about, in regards to the BBQ thing. Are you asking what BBQ sauce is made with, or whether you'd have ketchup at a BBQ?
    BBQ sauce is a tomato based sauce that usually has a slightly sweet, tangy flavor, or a sort of smokey flavor. Up here, we mostly use it on ribs or chicken, although it's not uncommon on pork chops either. You won't find it on beef (ribs aside) very often. When someone up here says that they're "having a BBQ" they usually mean "We're going to cook our food out-doors on a grill, and eat outside." You'd only find ketchup (sometimes spelled "catsup") at one if they were serving french fries, hamburgers, and/or hotdogs. If none of those are being served, there wouldn't be any reason to have ketchup.

    Philly Cheesesteaks: usually served on a hoagie, thinly sliced beef (usually roast beef, but sometimes steak), grilled with mushrooms, onions, and/or peppers (some places only use two of the three), and American, Swiss, or Provalone cheese.

    Most people in Michigan tell time like this:
    -What time is it?
    -It's noon.

    -W.t.i.i?
    -It's one uh-clock.

    -W.t.i.i?
    -It's a quarter after one (the "a" sounds sort of like a short "uh").

    -W.t.i.i?
    -It's half past one.

    -W.t.i.i?
    -It's a quarter to one (I actually say "It's a quarter of one," but that's not the norm up here).

    Boiled Peanuts are unheard of for most Michiganders. I'm actually quite a fan, but that's because of my Southern relatives (Spence- boiled peanuts are quite popular in Georgia. You boil raw peanuts, in the shell, with salt. Sometimes they're eaten hot, but a lot of people cool them off first).

    What about when you're talking about the house on the opposite corner of the street from you? Up here you'd say that the house is kitty-corner from you. E.g. "I can't stand the people who live in the house kitty-corner from me."

    Pee is generally called "piss" or "urine" here.
    Definitely not soda.
    Although unflavored soda water is sometimes said to "taste like piss."
    Having never actually tasted piss, I can't really say if that's true or not.
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      CommentAuthorDyre
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2006 edited
     
    The only regional time thing I've ever been aware of is that in Ireland they'll say "half [whatever]" to mean [whatever]:30. Like "half six" is 6:30, "half three" is 3:30, etc. As far as "15 'til" or "a quarter 'til" and whatnot, seems like everything is used around here.

    A pocketbook isn't a purse here either, it's what Sam described.

    Anything that puts your hair in a pony tail is a hair band. A rubber band is an elastic band used to strap stuff together and generally not something you would tie hair with. It's more an office supply.

    Sam, what you call kitty-corner I call katty-corner. More often though I think I hear someone use a drawn out explanation that seems to imply they don't know a shorthand term for this. I would also like to say that there is an absolutely awesome taco stand katty-corner to my apartment building.

    These sandwiches you speak of are called subs here, generally. I've heard a lot of the other terms but sub is the prevalent one. I've never heard poor boy (or any of its variants) used here.

    No one has supper. Everyone has dinner. I'm from the future and I have dinner.
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      CommentAuthorSpencer
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2006
     
    I use the term "diagonal" when referring to a structure out on the street. "The Goodwill is diagonal from our apartment."

    But I use the term katty-corner when referring to furniture that's in a corner, especially if the furniture is positioned so that it faces out into the room, such as those desks built especially for corners.

    Never kitty-corner.


    And for my evening meal, I eat dinner. =) Supper is used just as often by folks down here, but I use dinner. Dinner is never used for the noon-time meal. That's lunch.

    Then there's the midnight sacrifical thanksgiving, but that's a whole other matter.
    • CommentAuthorSamael
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2006
     
    I still want someone to explain this BBQ and ketchup thing. What's that all about?
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      CommentAuthorDyre
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2006
     
    You'll just have to go to the midnight sacrificial thanksgiving and find out!
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      CommentAuthorfoucault
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2006
     
    kitty-corner is used a lot around hear, though I also hear katty-corner and occasionally cater-corner, all meaning diagonally across. I've read that it comes from an old way of describing a four at dice, cater being an archaic word for four, and I've also read that it comes from a Dutch phrase, meaning diagonal. As to which is correct...like a lot of etymology, who knows?


    And yes, I am an etymology nerd.


    Sam, your description of BBQ sounds pretty much like what we have up here in New England, though we usually just calling it "grilling" or even "cooking out." Around here we have to go to restaurants to get food that I would traditionally consider BBQ, and I'm willing to bet it's nowhere near as good as it is down south. Ketchup (or catsup) has it's place with brugers and hotdogs and such, but it IMO should go nowhere near what I would consider actual BBQ food like ribs or barbecued chicken.

    Um, is the midnight sacrificial thanksgiving thing an every year thing? Is it actually on Thanksgiving? Or can I just do it tomorrow?