Re: Dick Cheney

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Posted by tallman on Sep 16-03 5:59pm
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Ok, I don't intend to get into another long argument about this, I have neither the time nor the motivation to do so right now... but, as usual, viewing the transcripts for these interviews are enlightening

Transcript for the March 16 interview (its google cached, so it might disappear eventually, but the word "nuclear" is highlighted - yay)

Skipping to the part you quote:
MR. RUSSERT: And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree, yes. And you’ll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of our intelligence community disagree. Let’s talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We’ve got, again, a long record here. It’s not as though this is a fresh issue. In the late ’70s, Saddam Hussein acquired nuclear reactors from the French. 1981, the Israelis took out the Osirak reactor and stopped his nuclear weapons development at the time. Throughout the ’80s, he mounted a new effort. I was told when I was defense secretary before the Gulf War that he was eight to 10 years away from a nuclear weapon. And we found out after the Gulf War that he was within one or two years of having a nuclear weapon because he had a massive effort under way that involved four or five different technologies for enriching uranium to produce fissile material.
       We know that based on intelligence that he has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He’s had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq’s concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don’t have any reason to believe they’re any more valid this time than they’ve been in the past.
Hrm. That's slightly different than what you quoted... He did say "... We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons" though... But even a common sense examination of that language does not lead to the conclusion you want it to go: How exactly do you reconstitute a weapon you never had? Could it be that he really did misspeak and said "nuclear weapons" when he meant "nuclear weapons program"? If you read the entire interview, you'll note that Cheney says that Saddam is just trying to get or produce weapons (or will try to get or produce them), not that he already has them. He says this several times. One would think that if he was seriously trying to mislead the public into thinking that Saddam had nuclear weapons, he would not repeatedly suggest the contrary several times during the interview...

Transcript for the September 14 interview

The part you quote, in full:
       MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted nuclear weapons. You misspoke.
       
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak. I said repeatedly during the show weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.
Huh. Interesting.

~tallman

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tallman, get over it! - Four Degreez - Sep 19-03 12:30am
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